I'm not sure anyone has noticed that this is going to happen at all, certainly until I came across this post I had not. I think I like the current sounds myself, but as you say, on headphones they can be jarring as unfortunately can be the progress bar update noises. a more tuneful fade ina and out would be nice here, but I do understand that these beeps are in fact generated from a locally generated number from the percentage, so is probably not a trivial job to do. I'll watch next with bated breath. I like the click of edit mode but its a little too loud. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Teh" <notifications@github.com> To: "nvaccess/nvda" <nvda@noreply.github.com> Cc: "Subscribed" <subscribed@noreply.github.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 7:47 AM Subject: [nvaccess/nvda] Replace NVDA's start, exit, error, browse mode and focus mode sounds (#7218) …with more modern, subtle sounds. ### Link to issue number: Fixes #5382. ### Summary of the issue: - NVDA's current browse mode and focus mode sounds are rather jarring and unpleasant, particularly when using headphones. - The start and exit sounds draw attention and are rather long, which makes restarts slower. - There's no functional reason to change the error sound, but since we're changing the other sounds and modernising them in the process, it makes sense to do the same for the error sound. - See #5382, #1007 and #5978 for user requests, but there have also been several other discussions over the years outside of the issue tracker. ### Description of how this pull request fixes the issue: This PR replaces all of these sounds with subtle, modern, short sounds. Sounds and images have also been moved from miscDeps into the NVDA repository itself, since they're specific to NVDA (not dependencies) and are quite small. Moving images obviously isn't related to sounds, but I figured it made sense to move these in the process rather than doing more miscDeps churn. Note that the sounds moved include suggestionsOpened and suggestionsClosed, which are part of #6274 which is not yet in master. However, it will be merged to master soon enough, and again, I wanted to avoid more miscDeps churn. ### Testing performed: These sounds were actually contributed by others. There has been quite a lot of discussion and feedback from these contributors, as well as from @michaelDCurran, @Qchristensen and @derekriemer. I've been running with these new sounds locally for a couple of weeks. I've tested that the new sounds apply correctly in a local build. ### Known issues with pull request: - This will cause a miscDeps conflict with #6274. This conflict should be resolved in favour of this PR (#7217) as explained above. - The start sound is now more an indicator than a logo. That is, it tells the user that NVDA has started, but it doesn't serve as an audio logo for branding purposes. I feel this is better: NVDA should be discreet and shouldn't draw unnecessary attention to itself when it is started apart from serving its function, especially since some users might be quietly using speakers in a public environment. However, @michaelDCurran is a little unsure about this. We agreed to try this on next for a while to see what users think. ### Change log entry: In Changes: ``` - NVDA's start, exit, browse mode and focus mode sounds have been replaced with subtle, modern, short sounds. (##5382) ``` Note that I don't mention the error sound because this won't be noticed by users of stable releases for whom the What's New document is intended. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: #7218

Does this also cover the nVDA logo sound in the Launcher?

No; I'm not dealing with the installer logo here. My plan is for that to disappear as well and be replaced by subtle indeterminate progress clicks, but that requires code we don't have yet (since looping sounds with a delay is not possible in NSIS itself), so that needs to be handled separately.

I think you should include all the sound authors in the contributers file as a thank you.

I’m in agreement with @michaelDCurran<https://github.com/michaeldcurran> regarding NVDA startup and shut down sounds. I don’t’ believe the original sounds are as jarring as people believe. The replacements are too subtle. Reducing the volume of the original sounds by 30 percent or so would accomplish similar goals. I’d vote to keep the original.

@PratikP1: What comment of mine are you referring to? I am pretty neutral about the switch.

Sorry if I misunderstood the original message in this thread.

@PratikP1: No problem. I've now read the actual pr summary where I was mentioned. I have no major issue with replacing most of the sounds, but I struggle with the start sound as I'm not quite sure if it denotes an action or is supposed to be a logo. If the latter than I feel it should be a little longer and more memorable. But having said this, it does not change the functionality, nor am I so committed as to suggest anything better at this stage.

Oh. I didn't look Lol